Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:

Posted by Don Barnett on 1/24/2003, 4:57 pm
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Pastor Barnett's response: someone posted on the Internet that Don never repented [he means for sins done 16-17 years ago at the Chapel]. But how would he know? Was he waiting in heaven for the call to come in?

Accusers don't need proof, just negative assumptions for the purpose of injury! Will this one repent for the sin of judging (Rom. 14:4, 10, 13), speaking evil of me (Ja. 4:11), bearing false witness (Ex. 20:16), touching God's anointed (1 Church. 16:22), being a busy-body in other men's affairs (1 Pe. 4:15) or gossiping (1 Tim. 5:13)? Will Bob Sackett?

There were about 3,000 witnesses at the Chapel who heard me repent for my sins and ask for forgiveness. I told them I wept on the streets of Illinois for my sins (where I went for a spiritual retreat with Barbara). God clearly let me know that He forgave me. The congregation forgave me that night (as indicated by upraised hands) – will you?

When I got back home, to my prayer meeting, God (through Sandy Willis, who knew nothing yet of my sin) announced that He turned His back on my sins and walked away as though it never happened! This was also shared with the church, to which I had no obligation to repent to, for (as yet) they knew nothing of what happened to me! What happened was that my pituitary gland (that controls the thyroid and vital hormones) fell from the normal level of 11-13 range to a highly dangerous 2.2, to shut itself down to save the life of the body! Dr. Skoglund said one loses their will at 4-5. He said if I didn't have such a good heart, I'd be dead! The cause of my great strain and pressure?: my wife defecting, even before I was ever alone with a spiritual connection! A month or so later, I became about 80% impotent! I was so hurt and lonely that I needed love and companionship (not sex, although it graduated to that – usually in a mild form). When I lost my will, I was stunned! I went into unreality! But through prayer with others, I became delivered of the tempter (9 months before my forgiven sins were published) and I was put out, contrary to the By-laws.

The Supreme Court ruled in my favor, but the lower court illegally refused to abide by the Supreme Court and reinstate me! I feel sure they were handsomely paid off! Although I have a list of 79 unrighteous, illegal, unfair and dishonest acts of the elders in their dealings with me and many, very convincing, circumstantial evidences of payoffs (as the Chapel funds allegedly dropped from 8.8 to 4.0 million dollars); I have never retaliated and spread their sins, their broken promises to me before God, their underhanded strategies, distortions, dishonest actions, or illegal actions of my accusers!

But in spite of the fact that I lost my wife, my family, my church, my spiritual connections (and all the others that I love), my reputation (which was ruined everywhere); I even lost much of my health and confidence, I kept worrying about the saints who changed their allegiance in one week and left me! I kept praying for them – especially, for those that fell away! And I kept blaming myself (not for my sins, for I felt them all washed away), but for not taking action to save the church! I was too naïve and trusting! The test was very severe, but God brought me and my followers through it all – and they have many revelations and truth that they would not otherwise have.

As to those who left me, including the elders: one day, if they will join the restoration prophesied of by God (both before and after the split), God will bring them to repentance and the truth will come out – it will shock many! In the meantime, it pays to let God be judge and to quit assuming by hearsay! But all I'm looking forward to is restoration and going on in a higher, broader ministry that God has promised and is even now starting to goad us into. I will forgive all who repent – will you forgive me, is the question?

I am very happy with the fantastic experiences of agapé that my church has practiced (with very little bad results) for 15 years now! The devil has drawn off many, but for other reasons – none justified in my judgment. God has pruned off the accusers, the underminers and the unpersuadable, who would not come into the needed unity as God demanded. God has brought in many who are thrilled with the move of God, here!

The door of acceptance is still open, but only for the sincere, willing, non-accusing, non-judgmental, submissive ones that are willing to fall in love with Jesus, live entirely for Him and enjoy the wonderful presence of God with us! Indeed, those who are critical can't even feel the presence of God that most of us are thrilled with, weekly!

May Jesus keep you and bring you to where you are solidly committed and totally in love with Him! I have never lost my agapé and pastoral love for my flock that turned against me without allowing a defense! I'm deeply hurt, but I still love you!

Pastor Donald Lee Barnett

P.S. You will be hearing more from me! Please forgive me as I also will forgive you! Let's work together against Satan, instead of letting him use us to fight and accuse one another! If you want to be one with me again, one day, please write me!
Restoration and spiritual renewal is just around the corner!
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Question please?
Posted by John D on 1/24/2003, 6:41 pm, in reply to "Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:"
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I can only assume this is for real. Please forgive me if I am uncertain since this particular venue is subject to imposters.
I was one of the huddled uninformed masses that knew little of the inner workings of our church so my question to you is what would have been the motive or motives of "all" of the elders to put you in this type of position?
Was it greed, power or revenge? So many questions, so little time. Thank you!
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Is this real?
Posted by Jack on 1/24/2003, 6:53 pm, in reply to "Question please?"
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Dear John
Yes, this is from Pastor Don.
Jack
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I don't get it
Posted by Leslie on 1/24/2003, 6:47 pm, in reply to "Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:"
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Why exactly do you want to forgive me? Of what, exactly? Even if you DO choose to forgive me, if I repent, it's repentance to God, not to you.
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Thank you Pastor..
Posted by Sam on 1/24/2003, 7:49 pm, in reply to "Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:"
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I appreciate you taking time to share with us here. May God have His way in all of our lives, and bring about that restoration that I look forward to. In the end, God will truly have His way and man will not glory in it at all. Please keep in touch with us as you are able to. As for me, you have had my forgiveness and I blame Satan for the losses I have experienced, not you. I too am weak and just a sinner needing grace, I won't expect perfection from my pastor, only a true heart after God.
Love,
Sam
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Re: Thank you Pastor..
Posted by DRF on 1/25/2003, 2:43 am, in reply to "Thank you Pastor.."
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Sam??? You're kidding, right? Imperfection wasn't the sin my friend.White-washing only serves to make it more painful to those that did suffer. Blaming Satan? We are responsible for the choices we make. Please!
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Re: Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:
Posted by Keith D. on 1/24/2003, 8:00 pm, in reply to "Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:"
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Hi Don,
Thanks for dropping by. I don't know whether you will get a chance to read my response but I'll give it a shot anyway. I attended CC&BTC, went to Bible College and lived at Chapel Court. I first came to Community Chapel in the fall of 1983 right after graduating from High school. I came over to the parsonage a few times to do some cleaning and a few other times to help David. I never met you formally although one time I couldn't find the secret hidden laundry room that David tried to describe for me so I asked you and you drew me a little outline of where it was. I deeply appreciate your dedication and desire to serve God and to put His word at the forefront of your life. I was profoundly impacted by the Unfolding Revelation of God and continue to be impacted to this day. It is an honor to have had the opportunity in this life to be confronted with this incredible truth. In fact I have a web page on the Internet containing audio files of the free Unfolding Revelation of God class because I desire that others have the opportunity to be confronted with this truth. My thoughts have changed somewhat but the foundation was contained in the truth presented in this class.
Having said all that I would like to say, I have never felt blame in my heart towards you nor have I been angry with you for anything that transpired in 1988. In fact I was shocked when I ran into someone while I was in line to vote, this person had said something to the effect, "I'm surprised someone hasn't shot him". Speaking of yourself. I thought to myself, who were you serving? God or Don?
I had been taught to put my hope and trust in the Lord and Him alone. I see you simply as another brother who is also to put your trust in the Lord as you work your way toward the finish line. I believe you have incorrectly concluded that the flock is yours. I do not believe the flock is yours; it wasn't in 1988 or is it now. The Bible does not teach that it is. I believe the flock is the Lords and His alone. I believe you are standing in the way of what He truly desires to do both in yourself and in the members of your church. I believe the Lord loves you tremendously and I believe if you can let go and let Him truly be in control you will not be disappointed. These are some honest thoughts that came to mind, this isn't exactly what I had intended on typing. I will continue to keep you and your church in my prayers. I truly desire to see Gods will done.
Keith Davidson
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my view
Posted by an observer on 1/24/2003, 9:36 pm, in reply to "Re: Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:"
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I don't have anything against Don, in the sense of
being angry or hateful to him. I have visited CoA a few times in the past few years and even worshipped with some people there.
I don't believe that the "problem," if there be any, lies in whether or Don admits certain sexual sins or problems or tendencies. If he admits one wrong act, for Christians, he might as well admit a thousand.
Christians forgive 1000 adulteries as quickly as they would one. At least, Jesus says to forgive 70x7 times.
At the time of the church split or the disfellowship, Russ MacKenzie cited Acts 20:28-30. Russ said that the elders had a responsibility for the church, and, moreover, to watch over the flock of God, even if that must be done independently of the pastor. Russ also said that the problem was not just adultery, but false doctrine, false doctrine which was destroying the spiritual health of the flock. At least some who remained at the Chapel in 1988 could sense that the ship itself was listing. In order to combat false doctrine by taught by Don, the elders, either singly or as a group, were charged by these scriptures to act:
I Tim 5:20
Matthew 18:15-18
Luke 17:3
Galatians 6:1
Acts 20:28-30
These passages do not give any exemption to "the pastor." The Bible does not say,
"If your brother sins, rebuke him. Except, if he is the pastor, do nothing and let God handle whatever is wrong." Mt 18:15-18.
Moreover, in light of I Tim 5:20 and other passages, Mt 18:15-18 must be understood to include the following:
"If your brother teaches error, rebuke him . . .
and if he hears you not and continues to teach error, tell the church . . ."
Paul leads by example in Galatians 2. Peter is considered by some to have been the leader and/or pastor and/or ruler over "the church," meaning, the church everywhere. Peter certainly had many more years of experience with the Lord by comparison with Paul, and some of Paul's training in the Lord had come from Peter. Yet, when Peter does wrong, Paul confronts him and rebukes him before all the Christians!
Paul certainly did not fear that
"he needed a covering"
or that
"by rebuking his 'pastor' he would be losing his spiritual covering."
Was it right or wrong for Paul to do so?
Today, in the CoA, there is no man who would dare to do such, except on pain of immediate banishment and silencing. Any member of CoA, any elder, Hal Price, anyone else, who publicly disagrees with Don re doctrine will be silenced or removed.
The problem lies in the structure of the church as it is conceived by Don Barnett. He could admit a thousand adulteries and come clean about every one. Yet, by holding to his doctrine of the church, the church ceases to be the church of Christ, and it becomes the church of Don.
Around the time of the very beginning of the dancing and connections, Rosemary Tyksinski was much in prayer. She says that she received some visions, including the following:
There was a forest and there was a great storm. The storm was strong and in fact it knocked over some of the trees that had seemed solid. God said, "I am going to knock down the idols." God said further that two idols which would fall would be Don Barnett and the instutition of marriage as it was understood at the Chapel at that time.
Moreover, God also said,
"When I am finished, Don Barnett will know:
this people was not his people but My people;
this church was not his church, but My church."
The above is not to deny that, in some cases, God may have led some people to continue to attend CoA after the split and to regard Don as their pastor. God can and does use flawed men, such as Don, to teach some how to grow spiritually. There may in fact be people right now who have received revelation from God to be at CoA. That does not mean that each and everyone of us is bound by that same revelation given to various individuals.
Some belong at CoA for now and that is OK. Some belong out of CoA for now and that is also OK. Some are struggling to find where they belong, and they will find their way in time.
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Many weren't there that night
Posted by Gordy on 1/24/2003, 8:53 pm, in reply to "Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:"
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Don:
Many weren't there the night you mentioned. Do you have anything to say to those that had already left the church due to extreme duress in one form or another?
I recently posted what God had done in my life as it pertains to you. I don't know if anyone at COA passed it on to you. I didn't post it for your benefit as my primary objective though if you found any blessing in it then all the better. It was a significant miracle that few can appreciate not knowing the full depth of my hatred toward you at the time. As far as I am concerned it was probably about as close to closure as it could be. My sword is sheathed toward you personally though I have never accepted connections whether "normal" or "mega" types as of or from God. That is another subject not in the scope of this post so I'll pass on further comment at this time.
There is no question you lost plenty but please understand many others, including myself, lost just as much in our own little corner of this world. Some even lost their lives. I guess that would be the ultimate loss. That is water under the bridge at this point in time though many scars remain in your former flock.
As a businessman who has been given much delegated authority I cannot help but point out that you were in charge even if some indeed were undermining your authority. When my boss calls and is asking for an account of less than stellar performance of the company I run for him I take the heat, all of it. I cannot, do not and will not pass the blame. It is my fault no matter if it isn't, if you know what I mean. I am accountable for what happens under my watch. If a day comes when I can't manage it properly then I will be removed (if I hadn't already resigned) and I'll only have myself to blame. Many times you referred to your job as being like that of a CEO. In the business world, carrying the analogy forward, no excuses are acceptable for CEOs whose companies failed under their watch. You have a distinct advantage over the world's CEOs in that you have the grace and mercy of not only God but from those He owns. Yes, I know some will never forgive nor forget but many will if it is based on truth, genuine Christ like love and compassion.
I need to tell you what my many and prolonged prayers for you consist of, at least in part. I don't pray that you will see the need to lay at the feet of and squirm before those offended under your ministry but I have prayed that you (and everyone involved) would be able to rise to the occasion, an occasion like this one, with dignity, utter honesty, humility and wisdom from above, and convey the heart of Christ to those that followed you. Don't lose this opportunity brother. Do not shrink back from the flack that will certainly head your way. Tough it out and be bigger than everyone else. For selfish reasons maybe (due to the prayer time I have invested) I do not want to see this opportunity squandered due to pride or self defense on the part of either side in this matter. Believe me, there is a solid footing of strength for you to stand on. Don't be afraid to reach down into the seeming bottomless abyss and find it. It was there for me when I tried, thanks to God and no small part you. It worked though I have to admit I was skeptical and doubting but desperation was the compelling factor in forcing me to grasp onto something. I found out in real life that our God is faithful even when we aren't. I am not saying you are desperate now like I was then but the same principle applies, does it not?
I appreciate your attempt to reach out, I really do, but I think there is much more to be done to bring reconciliation if it is even possible to obtain. You mentioned that we will be hearing more from you. I hope and pray that God will direct your steps and make it possible to keep improper defensiveness to a minimum. I'm totally for you Don but please use care in how you pursue this matter. I want the Kingdom of God and all those in it to receive rewards versus strong rebukes from our Father when we ALL have to give account for our actions concerning what was known as Community Chapel.
Gordy
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letter to Don
Posted by Steve M on 1/24/2003, 10:11 pm, in reply to "Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:"
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Dear Don:
You said, "If you want to be one with me again, one day, please write me!"
I've been ready for fifteen years to forgive you, and be one with you. However, the fruit of repentance is still lacking, as evidenced by what you have posted on the Community Chapel Gathering message board.
I was there when you described your experience in Illinois. At the time many of us did not know what sins you referred to, not being privy to what was going on in your life. Of course, subsequent events brought us into the loop.
Don, there is a problem with your statement, "I wept on the streets of Illinois for my sins..." It implies that your sexual misconduct had ended. But the elders letter of April 21, 1988 says that you "...committed adultery numerous times with three different women afterward..."
You describe "love and companionship" graduating into a "mild form" of sex. What is a "mild form" of sex? We live in a bizarre time in which a sitting President declared that fellatio is not sex. A statement such as yours begs for an explanation.
The Bible says to flee fornication, and teaches that fornication invites God's wrath. Therefore, the special status you were asked to submit to was entirely reasonable for you, as it was for others in the Chapel.
I am saddened that you still accuse and blame, rather than just repent. If you come to the place of unequivocal, non-defensive repentance, please know that you will have my support.
Sincerely,
Steve Maxwell
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Wounded then, healed now!
Posted by D'Lynn (Weiss) on 1/25/2003, 2:20 am, in reply to "letter to Don"
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I was 13 when i first came to the Chapel in the early 70's. Although I am now healed,the 5 years that my life was damaged because of a deception and manipulation done in the name of "love in the name of Jesus" Horrible things that were done to me by someone that was supposed to offer sanctuary and safety from such awfull things. I find that visiting this site and seeing that some of you are so very blinded,some still holding the torch,and many unaware of the many many young girls, whos lives were damaged if not destroyed. SO now what? Here we are 30 years later.. and there are still tears. I am healed, I am free and I am whole. However, I weep at what was taken from that young girl many years ago. I forgave Don years ago, but still wonder why.Why? I have to resolve that all things are safe in my Lord's hands. He has birthed a testimony in me through these events and He has worked all things together for good! My prayer is, that if there is one who is still wounded, hurt and in need of healing, that you would find all that He has promised for your precious soul!
In His Armor!!!
D'Lynn
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Re: Wounded then, healed now!
Posted by an observer on 1/25/2003, 8:05 am, in reply to "Wounded then, healed now!"
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Is it OK to ask for a few more details?
if you were at the Chapel only in the 70s, then, the wrong you suffered would have been separate from the doctrine of connections. Are we to assume that your wrong was one of several or one that came to light and was believed resolved by the elders? Or, was it one that was never revealed before this time?
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Re: Wounded then, healed now!
Posted by D'Lynn (Weiss) on 1/25/2003, 10:09 am, in reply to "Re: Wounded then, healed now!"
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My friend, why does it matter "when" I, and many many other young women suffered? I guess we were the seedlings of the sin, and "connections" were the full blowen bumpercrop. Every sin that was reaped, was at first "sown," somewhere. As for your question was it ever resloved? For me, at that time and many more like me. NO.Was it revealed? Well, DB knows what he has done, his sin was not hidden from him so yes, it was revealed, denial was his tactic then.Has anything changed? Did the elders know? I have wondered for years, who saw what and turned aside, some only to conseal their own misconduct, and some out of fear. OH yes! There were more then just DB who tampered with this type of sin and the cost came at a high price to the young women. AS FOR ME>>> I have resolved these times and events in my heart, to be safe in the Lords hands.My Father will handle the rest.
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THANKS FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO POST D'LNN
Posted by Bob Sackett on 1/25/2003, 8:51 am, in reply to "Wounded then, healed now!"
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There are others out there also. People do not know that DB was like this from the early 70's on. I encourge other women to step forth.
Bob
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Re: THANKS FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO POST D'LNN
Posted by DLynn on 1/25/2003, 10:22 am, in reply to "THANKS FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO POST D'LNN"
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Bob,, :)
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Re: THANKS FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO POST D'LNN
Posted by Bev on 1/25/2003, 10:34 am, in reply to "THANKS FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO POST D'LNN"
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Bob re-read her post, you are trying to make it sound as if her problems happened in the 70's. It does not say that. You are trying to hurt and damage again. People are not blind to YOUR WICKEDNESS on this board! Why don't you just repent! And stay out of the way of God before you find yourself in more trouble then you are already in.
Bev
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I'm guessing...
Posted by Robbin on 1/26/2003, 5:50 am, in reply to "Re: THANKS FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO POST D'LNN"
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that Bev and Jane go to the same church?
Wow! How can we, on this board, POSSIBLY LIVE without all this agape?
;)
Robbin
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Re: THANKS FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO POST D'LNN
Posted by A Mom on 1/25/2003, 11:00 am, in reply to "THANKS FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO POST D'LNN"
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My daughter was "misstreated" by DB in the early "80s" she was a teen in Bible collage and donated time at the home of Don and Barbara doing laundry. When my daughter told her Dad and me, we went to the elders and were told that our daughter didn't understand, rhar Don was only being loving to such a "giving child of God" and she had miss read his intentions.
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Re: THANKS FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO POST D'LNN
Posted by D'Lynn (Weiss) on 1/25/2003, 11:21 am, in reply to "Re: THANKS FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO POST D'LNN"
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Oh that sounds so familare. One thing we can rest assured on is this, What is done in darkness will be exposed in the light. I pray you and your family are washed, cleansed and are walking in that "Light!" (tears) :o(
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Re: THANKS FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO POST D'LNN
Posted by A Mom on 1/25/2003, 11:31 am, in reply to "Re: THANKS FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO POST D'LNN"
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Thank you Lynn,
My daughter is doing fine, she is married with children and she and her husband are on the ministry board at the church they attend. Forginess is something that happended a long time ago. Our family is doing STRONG in the love of Jesus, falling in love with the Savior more each day. We were at CCBTC for many years 1975 to the end. I'm posting as "A Mom" because I feel it would be improper to reveil my daughters name and expose her family to yet more pain.
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Re: THANKS FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO POST D'LNN
Posted by D'Lynn on 1/25/2003, 11:39 am, in reply to "Re: THANKS FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO POST D'LNN"
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So glad to hear that. As for me, I will not continue to post, read or otherwise visit this site. Not sure if it was wise to do so in the first place. Blessings to you and your family as you seek Him.
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A thought
Posted by Harry on 1/25/2003, 12:23 pm, in reply to "Re: THANKS FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO POST D'LNN"
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For me it has been good news to hear from you and read your posts. While it may be painful for you it has brought a bit of cheer to me.
Don't go. (But if you do our prayers and blessing go with you).
hs
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Re: A thought
Posted by Joe and Darlene Wagenius on 1/25/2003, 12:37 pm, in reply to "A thought"
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A-MEN!
You will always be in our hearts & prayers!
Please call me if you can!
Love in Jesus!
Joe & Darlene
(253) 735 9635
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Re: Wounded then, healed now!
Posted by Harry on 1/25/2003, 9:12 am, in reply to "Wounded then, healed now!"
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D'Lynn;
Its so good to hear from you. My wife (Lydia, who was a close friend of Sid's at the time) and I both went to Kentridge and over the past 20-years we have often wondered how things turned out for you. Your testimony speaks volumes about God's healing power and ability to restore.
We live in Bellevue now -
Blessings to you and yours....
Harry Smith
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Re: Wounded then, healed now!
Posted by D'Lynn on 1/25/2003, 10:19 am, in reply to "Re: Wounded then, healed now!"
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Hi Harry and Lydia!
Thank you for the post. Doing awesome! We serve a mighty God! I pray you both continue to grow in the wisdom and knowlege and RELATIONSHIP as you seek Him.
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Re: Wounded then, healed now!
Posted by Harry on 1/25/2003, 3:55 pm, in reply to "Re: Wounded then, healed now!"
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Though its a little off topic - Lydia and I will be celebrating our 25th anniversary this year (wow did that time go fast)
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Re: Wounded then, healed now!
Posted by Joe and Darlene Wagenius on 1/25/2003, 10:42 am, in reply to "Wounded then, healed now!"
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D'LNN, It was great to hear from you! I've often wondered how you were doing. You've been in my prayers many - many times over the years! I know you were hurt, and have prayed that GOD would keep his hand upon your life - no matter where it lead you!
If you (or anyone) would like to contact us here is our info:
e-mail: joedarbonwagenius1@yahoo.com
Phone: (253) 735-9635
Love & Prayers To All!!!
Joe & Darlene
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Re: Wounded then, healed now!
Posted by D'Lynn (Weiss) on 1/25/2003, 10:58 am, in reply to "Re: Wounded then, healed now!"
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Joe! HI!! Yes, I was hurt and even damaged, but we serve a God that brings "beauty from ashes."
Which means to me, that He brings beauty from things that once "were." I once was hurt/damaged, I am now a testimony of His ability to heal a human soul. I once was in fear, I now have perfect love that cast out all fear. I once was a victim, but now I am victor! OUR GOD IS SO FAITHFUL!
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Re: Wounded then, healed now!
Posted by an observer on 1/25/2003, 10:50 am, in reply to "Wounded then, healed now!"
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If you wished to write and share more of your story, I would be happy to read it.
God bless you and God help you in every way!
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Re: Wounded then, healed now! MORE...
Posted by D'Lynn (Weiss) on 1/25/2003, 11:14 am, in reply to "Re: Wounded then, healed now!"
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Know what Observer? I think I have already shared enough. My soul has revisited a place in the past 24 hours that readily brought tears. Although I could share more, and things that have never been mentioned would come to light I feel that would not serve the greater good, for me and others. Oh I could write a book, or litter this board with the deep painful things that occured, but why? My only reason I posted my original "Wounded then healed now," was because there is a voice in the wilderness of mine, and many others past, that cries out for the spirit of justice and the spirit of burning, to cleanse the defilement from us. Is 4:4. I know I am clean. Perhaps revisiting Egypt isn't a good idea, it only serves to conjure up old wounds and pain. However, there is a cry from the past that aches for justice. It is in His Hands.
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Re: Wounded then, healed now! MORE...
Posted by Lanny on 1/25/2003, 11:43 pm, in reply to "Re: Wounded then, healed now! MORE..."
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Hello! That is a wise choice. I remember you well. You helped my friend David. Glad to hear good things.
Lanny
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Re: Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:
Posted by desi on 1/24/2003, 10:36 pm, in reply to "Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:"
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Please clarify for me...You will forgive me of what? Gossip, touching God's anointed, speaking evil of you. If so, thank you. I also forgive you for being human, I know now how it is to come face to face with personal weaknesses and not know how to overcome them. The natural, human instinct is to hide, cover up, lie, anything but expose the problem. When we were told in the Word of God to confess our faults one to another, pray for one another, that we may be healed. I believe the act of doing so would have caused most that you confessed to, to rally and pray for you without ceasing and show the agape love of God to you. I realize some cannot be trusted, but I'd like to think your body could have been trusted. There was incredible commitment and love for you. Enough to cover any weakness. No kidding. I know that since the split a measure of maturity has come as a result that I needed in my life. There is still hurt and the temptation to blame someone. But God's grace is upon all of us to recover from this. When you realized that there was information about your sins being brought to the body it was vital to it's health to come clean, confess openly. Take the plunge and trust God for the rest although that could still mean losing it all. With only partial truth your body was left to speculate to try to find answers. Not an easy place to find yourself in. I see more clearly my imperfections and realize my need for a Savior so much more ever before. I'm sure most of us do. I also forgive those who tried to save the church by removing you if there was any malice in their heart. I believe there was alot of strain upon everyone. I'm sure there were wrongs done to you. I'm truely sorry for that. So many thoughts so little time. I'm glad you posted.
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My story...and I'm sticking to it.
Posted by Robbin on 1/25/2003, 8:38 am, in reply to "Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:"
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I have no need to forgive Don for past sins. I feel I already demonstrated that forgiveness by remaining in his employ and church after the split.
But there are portions of his post that do anger me, and those have nothing at all to do with the subject of past sins. It has everything to do with suppositions and assumptions made about the spiritual lives of those OUTSIDE COA, and how perfect it is INSIDE COA. (I find it funny that often when I do COA it comes out CIA, how "Freudian" is that? :) )

"The devil has drawn off many, but for other reasons – none justified in my judgment. God has pruned off the accusers, the underminers and the unpersuadable, who would not come into the needed unity as God demanded."
This has become a time-worn and thread-bare mantra, in my oppinion. NOBODY leaves COA because there are things wrong AT COA, or because PEOPLE at COA are mistreating others at COA. How could that possibly be the case when COA is so PERFECT?
NoOOOOooo. People only leave because they are accusers, unpersuadable, underminers, would not come into unity, ALLOWED the devil to take them out, ALLOWED themselves to be hurt by others...oily rags in the furnace room. Yada yada yada.
There seems to be very little concern for those who are less esteemed that are trampled under foot by others. And more often than not those doing the trampling are those who are the highly esteemed, or have some inside track to the inner circle. Oh, and there is always denial that there is an inner circle. I was not allowed to defend myself in counseling sessions with Hal. If I tried I was told I had demons of defensiveness. Yet I fully recall the many times Don justified from the pulpit his defending himself in court. Yet I was denied this basic privaledge that is accorded to even the most heinous criminal in the USA. I can not even begin to tell you just how devastating that entire ordeal was.
But, once again, I am told that I am gone because the devil took me out and I use excuses that couldn't hold water, or that God pruned me off. I either have the devil's handprint on me, or God's anger towards me...so WHO at COA could possibly believe I am still saved, in love with Jesus, or experiencing things of God or His wonderful presence?
Obviously these things can only happen INSIDE COA, and we can get them ONLY if we are "submissive"...which begs the question...submissive to whom?
"The door of acceptance is still open, but only for the sincere, willing, non-accusing, non-judgmental, submissive ones that are willing to fall in love with Jesus, live entirely for Him and enjoy the wonderful presence of God with us! "
Like I said in an earlier post. I will no longer follow any man. I will follow God and the path He has set before me. God will put men in my path from time to time, but I will STILL follow God, not the men in my path.
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Re: My story...and I'm sticking to it.
Posted by Dave Kenady on 1/25/2003, 9:35 am, in reply to "My story...and I'm sticking to it."
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Amen Robbin. I am glad to see Don posting here and have yet to respond. His post left me kind of speechless at first, but my response is ruminating in my mind.
But your response is right on. You have a brain and your own unique relationship to God -- and you obviously know it. I've been there and done that myself. I don't envy the narrow path you are attempting to walk. But you know where you are headed.
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I will follow God and the path He has set before me.
Posted by Jane on 1/25/2003, 10:24 am, in reply to "My story...and I'm sticking to it."
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Dear Robbin
I want to be careful with your heart,Robbin, but I MUST speak the truth to you right now.
You present a picture that makes you appear to be so wronged by everyone. I have known you for year's and the very tone you use in your post's conveys an additude of independance and unsubmissiveness.
I saw you the other day at Costco, I was so saddened, you have cut your hair so short it is as short as your husbands hair. Robbin,you state,"I will follow God and the path He has set before me. Robbin you have been very well taught as to what hair length says about a woman. I believe you have had a problem for many years, this problem causes people,including myself, to react to you in ways that causes you to feel hurt and rejected. You are not being totally honest Robbin with yourself. Submissive or stubborn and independent??
You make a big point out of the statement Don Barnett made,"God has pruned off the accusers, the underminers and the unpersuadable, who would not come into the needed unity as God demanded." Robbin I believe you need to look very carefully inside yourself and consider what is in there that has pushed you to make this outward statement of cutting off the sign of your submission.
You are allowing yourself to be pruned off Robbin by keeping this independance and unsubmissiness, your hair length should speak loudly to you unless you are unpersuadable. You say,"I will follow God and the path He has set before me. Robbin, God did not lead you to get a MANCUT hair style!!
I did not say all this to hurt you, Robbin. I do love you, but I must speak the truth to you as your sister in the Lord.
Jane
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God looks @ the heart, not the haircut!
Posted by Louise on 1/25/2003, 11:43 am, in reply to "I will follow God and the path He has set before me. "
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Dear Jane,
As I read my Bible, God says he looks @ the inward, and not the outward. The length of a woman's hair has nothing to do w/ her spiritual state. It is the condition of her heart.
I knew of a lot of very feminine looking woman while CC was still in tact that had long hair, down their backs, but they were sleeping w/ someone else's husbands in what we termed "connections" but were in reality adulterous affairs. Were they in rebellion or sin? Well, duh, yes!
So, in defense of Robbin, who has been posting honestly on this board for quite awhile, please give it a rest and leave her alone. It's so easy to label someone as unsubmissive, independent, etc. in attempts to shame them back into following DB. This tactic has been worn out,and to let you know, holds very little weight for most people on this board. They could NEVER return to the check-your-brains-in-at-the-door mentality that many of us had while blindly following Don @ CC. They'll never be the same again and I mean that they will no longer be spiritually duped or victimized. Once burned, twice cautious and a whole lot more savvy!
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Re: God looks @ the heart, not the haircut!
Posted by D'Lynn on 1/25/2003, 11:50 am, in reply to " God looks @ the heart, not the haircut!"
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Well said!
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Not in any judgement, but....
Posted by Sam on 1/25/2003, 1:57 pm, in reply to " God looks @ the heart, not the haircut!"
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Depending on whether you believe to take 1 Cor. 11:15-16 literally or not, Paul recommends women to keep their hair long.
As for me, the best thing a girl could do to turn me off is to cut her hair short, and I know quite a few women that feel the same about a guy with long hair.
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Wonderful, Sam
Posted by Steve M on 1/25/2003, 4:54 pm, in reply to "Not in any judgement, but...."
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A trail of devasted people.
A legacy of adultery.
Suicides.
But praise God! The women have long hair!
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Sam reminds me of a story someone told me about 9/11
Posted by Lou on 1/26/2003, 7:32 am, in reply to "Wonderful, Sam"
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A friend of a friend has a mother living in NYC. In-fact she is within eyeshot of the WTC. Her first response to her daughter who calls her after 9/11 to see if she is OK is: "you know I never liked those two buidlings anyway". This is a true story.
The woman was totally and completely incapable of dealing with truth or reality and the fact that our world would forever be changed and that over 3000 people were murdered and that her city was devastated did not enter into the conversation.
Get my point?
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Sorry..
Posted by Sam on 1/26/2003, 10:03 am, in reply to "Sam reminds me of a story someone told me about 9/11"
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I take back what I said. Short hair is fine for women.
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Question for Jane
Posted by Nobody on 1/25/2003, 11:47 am, in reply to "I will follow God and the path He has set before me. "
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Jane,
Dear sister, are you saying that a short haircut on a woman is evidence that she is unpersuadable, and/or in danger of being pruned off? Pruned off of what? God's plan for her? Is God frowning upon her as she walks rebelliously and independently through a public street sporting this abomination on her head?
As for me, I try very hard not judge a book by it's hairdo, or anything else for that matter. I don't even want the job of judge. (Yes I am aware of the scriptures pertaining to the length of hair on men vs. women) I am also aware of scriptures that pertain to unclean meats, the regulations on beard length, women not being teachers, the ethical treatment of slaves, and the like, etc. I would suppose it is up to the individual on what they glean and apply from the scriptures.
My dad had two sayings when I was a kid, and still says them all the time today. The first one was " Always have a comfortable pair of work boots, and a comfortable bed, because you'll spend most of your life in one or the other". (It doesn't really apply, but I threw it in anyway.) The germane one said " Don't water the horses if the barns burning down". If the woman is saved and on her way to Heaven, don't sweat the details. Find someone who needs saving, and leave the saved to God. He is an awesome God, and He loves her in spite of a kicky new do. J From what I gather, the woman is doing fine spiritually.
Respectfully
Nobody
P.S. As a male, I had quite long hair for many years of my life. With summer coming, if every woman shaved her head in anticipation of the heat and bother of caring for long hair, I wouldn't blame them.
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Hey, there, Nobody!
Posted by Louise on 1/25/2003, 12:25 pm, in reply to "Question for Jane"
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Oh, my gosh, you've so inspired me! Now I want a "kicky new do"! :o) You really preached it well in that post, guy.
And, to D'Lynn, I remember you from CC. You are a beautiful blonde and I'm so thankful that God has redeemed and healed you from what you went thru there. Many of us have been there and done that (forgiveness, healing, victory, etc.) Makes one realize that God is good all the time!
Louise
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Re: Hey, there, Louise!
Posted by Nobody on 1/25/2003, 9:23 pm, in reply to "Hey, there, Nobody!"
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Louise
Thanks for the support. Sometimes one can post here then wonder immediatly afterward if the posting was applied in the most positive direction.You have inspired we too. Im considering dropping my " pen name" ...:)
Gratefully
Perhaps Somebody
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The other day at Costco? Don't you mean last year?
Posted by Robbin on 1/25/2003, 3:10 pm, in reply to "I will follow God and the path He has set before me. "
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Was probably last year when it was shorter. Obviously you did not see me at COA the morning they prayed for Casey before shipping out to Boot Camp...what a shame.
If you are going to judge my heart before God based upon my hair, then perhaps it is a good thing we no longer fellowship. But then again, the fact that you seem to "know" me as "unpersuadable" tells me you never really knew me anyway.
What a shame...you have missed out on knowing one fine person, if I do say so myself.
And since you are a "sister" I can only guess that you were one of two women in that group that my daughter and I met there in Federal Way.
If you are the darker complectioned gal I am sorry you have come to this conclusion after, as you say, years of knowing me.
If you are the other gal with the two sons, then my hair is no shorter than yours is now.
But if you must judge on hair...please do so...it just cuts to the shallowness of the person judging and then we can get over this dance much quicker.

And for anyone else who cares...my hair is shoulder length now...so I MUST me much more submissive now than I was last summer. :)
Robbin
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RE: My Story...and Jane's response
Posted by Robbin on 1/26/2003, 7:38 am, in reply to "I will follow God and the path He has set before me. "
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I think that Jane adequately proved what I was saying in "My Story". Thank you, Jane, I couldn't have given any better example if I had tried. Besides, now the "Boarders" can see that I am not just weaving a tale of hurt and injury out of bitterness.
Your response reminded me again of a vision that was read at COA about one and a half years ago.
The black robes of judgement and the black darts that flew from gavels of those judging into the hearts of those judged...thereby causing those receiving MULTIPLE injuries to finally, and quietly leave COA. AND JESUS MET THOSE INJURED ONES OUTSIDE THE BUILDING AND TENDERLY HEALED THEIR INJURED HEARTS.
But seriously, Jane, did you even HEAR that vision? Probably not. I haven't seen ONE COAer that posts here acknowlege the fact that that vision was even given.
There was a wonderful woman of God that attended COA, and God called her home. Her name was Jeannette. I am sure Jane knows who she was.
I could go to this woman with my wounds completely exposed and she MINISTERED to them. SHE saw the heart and the injuries. SHE faithfully displayed the heart of compassion of our Lord Jesus. She saw ME, she NEVER focused on what I was doing wrong, how I wasn't walking right, how I deserved what I was getting, how I had opened up to these demons (spank, spank, spank).
No! Jeannette was a most wonderful representation of God's mercy, concern, care, healing and LOVE...non-condemming LOVE!
You Jane, on the otherhand, are unfortunately a representation of what is more common at COA than rare.
Believe me, I would RUSH to a church that was full of Jeannettes! But the likes of you, Jane, help to steel my resolve to never again step foot inside the doors of COA.
Too bad you didn't have the intestinal fortitude to say what you did under your real name. Even though I am fairly sure I know who you are, I will respect your desire for anonymity.
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Jeanette..
Posted by Sam on 1/26/2003, 10:07 am, in reply to "RE: My Story...and Jane's response"
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What a wonderful woman of God! I definetely esteemed her highly, and it was too bad she went through all she did. I think she prayed with me to receive the H.S. What a rose in the garden of the Lord!
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Re: My story...and I'm sticking to it.
Posted by D'Lynn on 1/25/2003, 11:57 am, in reply to "My story...and I'm sticking to it."
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I think you are doing wonderful! And I bet your hair cut is cute!
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Re: My story...and I'm sticking to it.
Posted by carolyn on 1/25/2003, 5:58 pm, in reply to "Re: My story...and I'm sticking to it."
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I guess I have been in many different stages in so-called submission over the years; my hair has been various different lengths! I guess I just couldn't make up my mind if I was submitting or not....ha, ha!! And.... if a guy had his hair hanging to the bottom of his kilt, I don't think it matters to God, or to me.
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Respectfully
Posted by Harry on 1/25/2003, 9:43 am, in reply to "Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:"
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Don;
While I only spoke with you one time during the entire time that I went to the Chapel ('75-'85), and that conversation lasted only a few seconds, I would like to take this opportunity to make a few comments.
First, I only know you through your public ministry. From that perspective you have had a significant impact on my life and my development as a Christian. While I no longer would be willing to sit under your ministry, I would like to thank you for your many years of service. I feel that I have learned so much and that I am a better man and a better Christian because of your ministry.
Regarding forgiveness. I for one have no problem with extending acceptance, forgiveness, forebearance and accepting your apology. My situation is unique from many who regularly post hear (in my opinion) in that the fundamentals my wife and I learned while sitting under your ministry didn't align with the turn that the church took in 1985. We had no problem with looking at each other in the middle of one service (a service that we found disturbing) and saying to one another "well I guess that's it for this place we've gotta get out of hear". So we stood up and walked out, obeying God rather than man. Because we missed most of the dark days at the chapel we don't have as great a need to hear an apology. However, because we were not aroud for the first apology that you mentioned it is actually nice to read it now.
So thank you for your many years of service. Thank you for the many hours that you studied. Thank you for your uncomprimising ways. Thank you for your insights into how a church service should run. Thank you for toiling and laboring for so many years. We have always appreciated your public ministry. Blessings to your and yours. I pray that you will find peace in these days.
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Re: Respectfully
Posted by Jack on 1/25/2003, 1:01 pm, in reply to "Respectfully"
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Harry
Could you please contact me at Jackbenson3@yahoo.com
Thanks
Jack
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Re: Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:
Posted by an observer on 1/25/2003, 10:57 am, in reply to "Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:"
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I would just like to say that all you people that left the church are losers. your loosing out on agape. your missing out on feeling the tremendous experiences of agape that we experience weekly. you might have one similiar experience in your churchs once in a year.
we have them weekly. your loosers
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Huh?
Posted by Harry on 1/25/2003, 11:11 am, in reply to "Re: Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:"
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Who the loser is depends on how you keep score?
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Re: Huh?
Posted by Lurker on 1/25/2003, 11:17 am, in reply to "Huh?"
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Or ........ Is it WHO YOU SCORE WITH ??????????

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Embarrassed!!!!
Posted by Jack on 1/25/2003, 11:18 am, in reply to "Re: Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:"
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Dear An Observer
It sounds as if you are currently attending CoA. You are being very un kind in your post. These brother's and sister's who post here are NOT losers. I do not know who you are, perhaps you are trying to express something here that is a desire for them to be experiencing God's Agape, I am going to believe that is your real heart. However your expressions, the way you are saying it is in my view VERY hurtful and does not come across at all like the general feelings of us at CoA.
To you on this board I am so sorry if this post has offended you, it is NOT the way Don or most all that I know at CoA feel towards you on this board. I am embarrassed and sorry for this post.
I hope you will not take this post as being indicative of our Don's heart or most others at CoA.
Sincerely
Jack
P.S. To, An Observer, brother or sister would you please contact me?
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No need to be, Jack
Posted by Leslie on 1/25/2003, 11:25 am, in reply to "Embarrassed!!!!"
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We all know we speak for ourselves, here. It's ok. You are loved by your words, Jack. Don't fret an ounce.
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Thanks Jack
Posted by Freedom Lover on 1/25/2003, 11:27 am, in reply to "Embarrassed!!!!"
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Jack, what a beautiful and healing response. Thank you.
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Re: Embarrassed!!!!
Posted by Robbin on 1/26/2003, 6:04 am, in reply to "Embarrassed!!!!"
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Jack,
Thank you for your sticking up for us. I do love and respect you.
But I have this sneaking suspicion that An Observer's post was sarcastic and that they don't attend COA.
But I would be interested in your take on Jane's post to me, and Bev's post to Bob. These obviously did come from COA people. And quite frankly, showed the complete opposite of what Don, and you above, claim is going on at COA.
I would especially be interested in your take on Jane's post as you know me much better than she claims to know me...and you saw me at Casey's last service before shipping out. So wadda ya think, huh? Like my hair? ;)
Robbin
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I take it back.
Posted by Robbin on 1/26/2003, 6:12 am, in reply to "Re: Embarrassed!!!!"
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I don't think An Observer was being sarcastic. I thought they were because I couldn't see that anyone could actually SAY those things and mean it.
I guess they were serious. Lord help me! I was duped again! :)
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BLACK Robes and "SHAKING a WING together"
Posted by Jack on 1/26/2003, 9:53 am, in reply to "Re: Embarrassed!!!!"
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Hello Robbin
I see by the time stamps on your posts that you have been posting very early this morning. I am assuming here of course, but I am thinking that you have been extremely troubled by this attack on you. Id this is the reason for your early postings, let me tell you that I am personally very sorry Robbin for your hurting heart. I can tell you that, unfortunately, the poster, an observer, did reply to my request for contact and, yes, this person does go to CoA. This person did attempt to express their regret for the lack of wisdom in the post where this person called the people here, "losers". This person's willingness to somehow try to make it right in a following post was a good sign to me of the person's heart to receive correction. As to Jane and Bev., I do not know. I have to say that I do agree with a certain aspect of one of their points, that being the hair length, just as clothing styles and the words spoken DO give an indication of things inside. I am somewhat dismayed that many people would so quickly say that hair length does not matter, when the word of God does clear speak about that matter for both men and women. One poster incorrectly stated," The length of a woman's hair has nothing to do w/ her spiritual state." This clearly is not a correct statement and by making it the person becomes a teacher and steers people's lives by their words.
I wondered, why there was no one, other then Sam, who dared to counter the statements some made, who were saying it didn't matter to God. This board does grieve me in a number of ways, this being one area. It seems to me that many who are, have influence on this board, and who are well taught, will not correct certain things that may cause the board to then turn against them.
Certainly God does look upon the heart and I am so very glad of this or I would be so lost personally, with NO HOPE AT ALL.
Robbin, I did see you at the service when we prayed, as a church for your wonderful son Casey and your hair looked wonderful to me.
I was there when the vision about those in the black robes passing judgements was read. I can tell you that from my years of mintrering in deliverance that I have grown to where I have a somewhat developed ability to know when demons are at work. I want to share with you something that I experience on a great number of occasions. It has to do with this judging matter. I go to church looking to give not to get. My heart is always to help and I reach out to those that others do not. I am not saying this to lift myself up, but as way of making a point. You know me Robbin and how I conduct myself with in the church services. Many times when I would go over and turn a chair around, so I could sit face to face with some person that was, perhaps to overweight or beat up from life, to be able to get out on the worship floor and "shake a wing" as I sometimes say. That person and I would fly so high in worship and have such deep experiences with the Lord. Well there are demons that JUST HATE that, I would FEEL the demons wanting this to not happen for that Saint, they would try to feed my mind to get me to NOT go over to the person, or to get up after only one song and find someone more lovely or cheerful. Sometimes I would see a person sitting in a down cast manner. I would head over to try to support this brother or that sister, and I would have demons try to flood my mind with thoughts all geared to dissuade me from going to that person, to help them catch an updraft so the could mount up in worship and meet the one who promises that if we will unbow ourselves, stand upright, and then look up we would see Him coming with healing on His wings. I have such a desire that NO ONE ever leaves a service without getting a really good drink of the Lord. Many times people just need a little help unbowing themselves. Lets face it life as a pilgrim is REALLY hard at times, and when one is bend over all they can see is their own two feet stuck in whatever muck they are currently stuck in. My desire is to help them get their eyes off their own muck and help them to be able to stand upright and THEN TO LOOK UP. This can be done by just going over to those who are downcast, and pulling a chair up and caring for them. You have seen me do this, Robbin, sometimes I will even be so bold as to take their hands and raise them up with my own and ALWAYS, this person and I, will fly away and have a real BLAST loving the Lord, being loved by HIM and loving one another during worship times. You have seen me seek out the youth in the church to worship with. I have many many wonderful connections with these young people who need help to get the hang of worshipping, your sweet daughter being one of them. Years ago when I first began to seek your little girl out and be a friend to her, an older brother who really cared for her, she and I would go out and worship and FLY together, I am sure you remember those times. Robbin,I would sometimes have to take her hand and move somewhere else on the worship floor because someone was sitting back in one of the back rows and sending DEMONS to us. I KNOW what I am saying will cause some here to have a fit, but it is true. There are people who just could not handle a grown man and a little girl worshipping together. They would sit there and JUDGE us. I have sometimes, Robbin, experienced a pain stab me right in the middle of my lower back that would almost drive me to my knees because some demon got the right to go forth to hinder your daughter and my worship. Years ago if you remember your little girl would come and sit with me during sermons. Again people would sit there and judge that as wrong. Or there would be times when I would seek out the young men in the church who were going through all the many, many difficulties of their teen years, Casey, your strapping fellow in a uniform now, being one of them, he and I would FLY so high sometimes during worship and there would be those in the church who would sit and JUDGE THAT!!
I so wish it was NOT this way and I am sure the Lord desires it wasn't this way also. Someday it will be that way, Robbin, there will be such an overwhelming flow of God's love and presence that the demons IN people will flee the place. Of course we are NOT there YET, as these posts, about your hair and people being losers clearly show. I have great hope however when a person like an Observer, receives correction, and then does may an attempt to change, which their follow up post showed.
There have been some people in CoA that God HAS HAD to finally remove and because they would NOT take off their BLACK ROBES of judging and leave the body of the Lord to the Heads' care. I will be perfectly honest here with you and all the readers. Bob Sackett is one of these. His own postings here continually show that he feels he has a right to pass judgement on everyone and anything. I do not care how upset Bob or others now want to get with me for speaking clearly, but it is the truth. If someone cannot abide certain things then they do not have to go to that church. But to sit there for 6,8, 10 years and have an attitude that judges everyone and everything is wrong in my view.
Robbing I am so for you, and if I have ever hurt you or missed reaching out to you at service I am so sorry. I do hope you will believe that everyone at CoA are not like the few that always seem to come out in the fore front. There are many, many at CoA who feel the same way I do about meeting the needs of the other parts of the body. You and I have worshipped and I have always experienced wonderful times with you in the Lord, I have always experienced Jesus when we have worshipped. If I have missed your times of neediness because I was trying to help someone else catch an updraft I am truly sorry. I worry sometimes that people who ARE needy at service will see me go to someone else before I come to them and will get lied to by the devil and then feel that they are not important. Sister my heart goes out to you and I will always be here as your brother and will be most happy to, "SHAKE A WING" with you or toss back a cup of coffee with you.(hint, hint J)
Sincerely, a brother trying to keep my own eyes off the MUCK that sometimes tries to suck me under,
XOXOXo ( notice EVERYONE there is no tongue in any of these KISSES) LOL
Jack
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Proof READ!!!
Posted by Jack on 1/26/2003, 10:14 am, in reply to "BLACK Robes and "SHAKING a WING together""
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AHHH now I will get LOL helpped again by my dear Brother Stu. Robbin I am sorry for the errors in this post I started this ALMOST 2 HOURS AGO. I wanted to post it before I went to church because I was so concerned about you having been up all night troubled. I am running really late for service and didn't see all the errors STILL in this. Sorry but I hope this helps you have a better day Sis.
Bye I am going to go "Shake a Wing for a while"
xoxoxo Jack
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DANGER Observer.
Posted by D'Lynn on 1/25/2003, 11:34 am, in reply to "Re: Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:"
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Observer, I see you seek the "move" and not the heart of God. To assume that God has given you and the DB camp "special feelings" of His presence is to say that God is partial to you. I have a rich and abiding fellowship with HIM. It is not based on feelings, Jesus bumps,or hyper-emotionalism. Rather, the fact that I hold His tender hand and He holds mine. Let me tell you about "agape love," as I see it. Agape love is love that peers into the eyes of those that harmed you as a child and pray God's mercy on their souls. What "agape love" is NOT.. It is NOT a feeling, it is not measured by human standards and physical manifestions. Rather a love that "believes, hopes and endures all things!" Feelings were NOT ever apart of measuring God's Love.
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Re: DANGER Observer.
Posted by an observer on 1/25/2003, 3:14 pm, in reply to "DANGER Observer."
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i can see by your response you haven't the faintest idea what agape is.

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Re: DANGER Observer.
Posted by Keith D. on 1/25/2003, 5:53 pm, in reply to "Re: DANGER Observer."
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Actually it sounds like she has a real good idea.
There appears to be a lot of assumptions at CoA as to what true apape is. The fact that your calling a bunch of people that you know little about a bunch of losers really shows me that you are light years away from true agape. There is much more I could say but I'll leave it at that for now.
Keith
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Re: Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:
Posted by Amazed on 1/25/2003, 2:25 pm, in reply to "Re: Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:"
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What have your weekly doses of agape done for YOU? Please elaborate! Shouldn't all this "agape" have the FRUIT of AGAPE (see I Cor 13). Spiritually, you've been so far "advanced" for all these years with your weekly doses compared to the rest of the church world's measly one per year experience with God's REAL love. Maybe you could share a little with us how this love has affected your life. When you witness, do you tell them that they are losers too?? Are you married? Do you tell your wife she is a loser if she doesn't experience this agape? Are you single? Better not use this tactic to get a date….
You say we are losers but the statement itself does not even hint at agape. I'm so tired of hearing that dancing around with someone gives you the corner of the market on God's love. Would I be better off if I was there "connecting" with YOU??? Your statement has the flavor of many statements and visions at COA…if you're not behind Don (they don't mention Jesus) then you are "out of the ship" "off the path", "not going to make it". If you're not unified with us and submitted, then "please get out of here" to sum up a statement made from the pulpit by Donna Pangburn during one of their services.
I went there for years and this is the kind of stuff that makes you disgusted. I thought about putting my name but I don't think I could handle the "agape" I would get from COA members, being "one of the rebellious with no real reason to leave". I could go on & on about the hypocrisy but I'll calm down now.
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Re: Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:
Posted by an observer on 1/25/2003, 4:15 pm, in reply to "Re: Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:"
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ok i aint gonna say anything more. i think anyone leaving the church is losing out on more of god. I shouldnt have said that makes you a loser, although technically its true. saying your a loser carries negative conotations and i apologise for saying you guys who left the church are losers.but i stand by my belief that a nyone leaving our church , in my opinion, is setteling for 2nd best at best. im not going to say anything more. im like a bull in a china closet here. so sorry if i hurt anyone
bye
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Get a dictionary pal.....
Posted by Harry on 1/25/2003, 9:34 pm, in reply to "Re: Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:"
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I may be a loser but at least I can spell and have some command of the english language.
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Re: Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:
Posted by Harry C on 1/25/2003, 10:59 pm, in reply to "Re: Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:"
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Now there's a Christian spirit if I ever heard one. What are the fruits of the spirit? I recommend reading them from the Bible again.
Harry C
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The Sum of All Things Chapel
Posted by Dave Kenady on 1/25/2003, 1:04 pm, in reply to "Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:"
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This thread kind of says it all, doesn't it. The 6 great perpetual and neverending arguments regarding the Chapel and Don:
I Am Innocent
1)I am innocent and illegally put out of the church. Come back and join the continuing move of God.
You Are Deceived
2)You are not in the continuing move of God because connections is a deception.
I Was Abused
3)I was abused at the Chapel by "someone that was supposed to offer sanctuary and safety from such awfull things."
4)My daughter was 'misstreated' by DB in the early '80s' she was a teen in Bible collage... were told by the elders "that our daughter didn't understand, thar Don was only being loving to such a 'giving child of God' and she had miss read his intentions."
5)So Bob says, "There are others out there also. People do not know that DB was like this from the early 70's on. I encourge other women to step forth."
Don't Touch God's Annointed
6)Then Bev retorts, "you are trying to make it sound as if her problems happened in the 70's. It does not say that. You are trying to hurt and damage again. People are not blind to YOUR WICKEDNESS on this board! Why don't you just repent! And stay out of the way of God before you find yourself in more trouble then you are already in.
Return to Step 1 and Repeat
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If, after 15 years, we (in which I include us, our former pastor and the church that continued to follow him) this is all we have to say for ourselves, I am beginning to see that there HAD TO BE something very twisted and wrong not only at the Chapel, but with whatever it is that has caused us not to grow beyond the contents of this thread. I think I am about ready to extinguish the torch I have carried and call a spade a spade. We meant well at the Chapel, but how could the God of the Bible be any part of this huge mess that it became. What a sordid tangle of sin and debauchery.
The 2 most shocking parts of this thread to me are:
1) Don's embarrassingly obvious hairtrigger defensiveness about himself, and;
2) Pushing aside someone's testimony of being abused at the Chapel and instead going after Bob because he stated that there have been others.
Could the Chapel, the Church of Agape or Don EVER be more important than a young girl being hurt? I don't think so. I have long been a part of that company that was so blind because they WOULD NOT see. I don't need a doctrinal explanation for the fall of the Chapel. As spiritual as we thought we all were, I don't think the explanation need go any deeper than this conversation right here.
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Re: The Sum of All Things Chapel
Posted by Harry on 1/25/2003, 1:26 pm, in reply to "The Sum of All Things Chapel"
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Dave;
Kudos.
Better that a stone be tied around your neck and you be cast in the sea than to hurt one of these little ones.
As a father of two daughters myself, if I ever found out that someone had abused their authority in manner so as to take advantage of them sexually, my "flesh" would be in favor of shooting the s-o-b today and let God sort it out in the end. Thankfully, I've never been faced with such and I hope and pray that I never am.
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extinguishing the torch
Posted by Jack on 1/25/2003, 1:50 pm, in reply to "The Sum of All Things Chapel"
12.242.158.89
Dear Dave
Perhaps this is just what you need in your life for YOU Dave. You must spend a lot of time and money keeping this site up and running. Many have spoken that this site has helped them in moving on in their lives and many will always hold you in a very specail place in their hearts because of this site and your willingness to give of yourself by providing this place to meet. Dave, you really HAVE to do what is right for YOU brother.
Personally I had hoped that Don beginning to interact here would help with matters. But if it is just going to fuel all that has gone on here in the past and not bring forth any good, I will be the first to tell Don it is a waste of time.
Don had asked, to have the responses copied right away for him so he could read and consider them and reply as he felt to. Dave, there are other ways that this can happen. If people feel a need to talk to Don about anything that needs to be settled they can always contact him. It is hard for him to contact those he does not know about but God can make a way.
If people still need to talk among about what happened 15 years ago they can find other ways to do that. I am sure all here would not hold it against you if you stepped back and lived your life however you feel a need to.
To be honest with you Dave, I have sometimes been concerned for YOU as to how this long-standing site has affected you and your family, your whole life. I will be praying for you as you decide what is best for YOU and your wife.
Sincerly,
Jack
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Another thought....
Posted by Jack on 1/25/2003, 1:59 pm, in reply to "extinguishing the torch "
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Dave many people have expressed that they need this site. Maybe it would be best if those who still go to CoA just stopped coming here so there wasn't any conflict. If that would be best for you and those who need this site, I am sure that this site can be sidestepped by those at CoA. Maybe that would help?
We would be more then happy to do Whatever YOU feel is best Dave, ok?
Jack
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but...
Posted by Sam on 1/25/2003, 2:33 pm, in reply to "Another thought...."
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if it weren't for the issues discussed and debated here, I think this site wouldn't exist. For those that need healing here, I hope they truly find it, but at the same time, I believe many people enjoy the time debating doctrine and such. For some of us, it pushes us deeper into the Word to find out what we really believe. Even without COA members here, there would still be much discussion over UROG/trinity etc. Connections are almost a dead issue because either you believe that they are/were from God or you don't, and its hard to convince people otherwise. They either saw all the bad things or mostly good things.
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Re: extinguishing the torch
Posted by To Jack, from Carolyn on 1/25/2003, 6:16 pm, in reply to "extinguishing the torch "
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Certainly you could have guessed that DB posting here was going to bring forth many different responses. Why not let what happens, happens and not try to control what happens. Obviously, there are people still hurting and angered by what happened.......not just generally, but in very personal ways. I say let it come out and let DB deal with it the way he should. It's not a waste of time.....sometimes there are many different levels of emotions in dealing with some of these issues. There is no good done in just keeping things hidden away and in secret. Also, if eyes need to be opened to the real truth, then I say keep the dialogue going...and perhaps eventually, more and more healing will take place.
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Re: extinguishing the torch
Posted by Jack on 1/25/2003, 9:29 pm, in reply to "Re: extinguishing the torch "
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Hi Carolyn
Why not let what happens, happens and not try to control what happens. Hi Carolyn I think you have misunderstood my post, I was expressing my concerns for what Dave was/is experiencing. ok?
Jack
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Re: The Sum of All Things Chapel
Posted by Bob Sackett on 1/25/2003, 7:15 pm, in reply to "The Sum of All Things Chapel"
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Well you are probably are right. But God really did a wonderful work in other areas.
I just wonder how many young ladies left Bible College because DB put the make on them? Kind of sad.
I still have no regrets for coming to CC&BTC.
Bob
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Re: The Sum of All Things Chapel
Posted by first observer on 1/25/2003, 7:58 pm, in reply to "The Sum of All Things Chapel"
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this is better than a lot of soap operas. I wonder if there a market for our story.
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LET THE FIRE WORKS BEGIN
Posted by Bob Sackett on 1/25/2003, 7:07 pm, in reply to "Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:"
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In the early 70's DB was taking young college girls in the back prayer room and "loving" them by kissing them (or trying to) all over their face. Two very reliable girls told me about their experiences. Another young lady said that when she was about age 18 DB grabbed her breast and said "I would sure like to be sitting in front of a fireplace with you". That was the late 70's.
But the bottom line is I did not leave COA because of what DB did before the split. We wanted to trust him and let him have a clean slate. He promised, he lied, and he has not changed. Example: A young man I know was working in the back room at the Parsonage when he looked at DB's photo albums. Low and behold, there was a picture of a naked connection that DB took with him on a lot of vacations. The young man tore the picture up and threw it away. I found out that there were other people that had seen it also. But really, the real reason I left was because I just got tired of the lies, the cheating and the stealing. To me, DB is a thief. He basically is taking a lot of the money out of the trust and giving it to Hal and him, by paying an exorbitantly high salary and perks. Example: We figured up in 1998 what Hal would be making if he was just an average "Joe Blow" in the congregation. It came out to $113,000 in equivalence to a regular person because of all the ministry perks. DB was way, way beyond that. This is just the tip of the iceberg. The poor people at COA have no idea what is really happening.
You add this and the false visions and prophecies in and you have a real mess. Example: DB is going to get a body of a 25-year-old, Gus (Barbara's husband) is going to die and she is going to return to Don, Jeff M. is going to give the little chapel back to DB, Josef is going to find a place in the Swiss Alps so the church can go hide there, the elders are going to repent and come crawling back to Don. ad naseum.
I would not have said anything but DB accuses me of sinning. He is deceiving the people and will twist and lie about anyone. Example: did he ever repent for what he did to Frank Rice? Frank was right and DB was the evil one, but to this day he blasts Frank. This is wicked. If I tell the truth then I am the wicked one. DB's days are numbered; God cannot use any person that is this crooked. He blames others when he is the guilty one.
No, it is not the pre-split sins; it's the post-split sins. DB has not changed, there is just a flat deep flaw in his character. I for one will not hide the truth.
There is a good side and a bad side to DB. This is the bad side.
Bob
Ps. The church is set up as a trust so it is to be totally open what happens with the monies because the people are the beneficiaries.
Pps. think Db will kick me out of my place in heaven for posting this?
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Re: LET THE FIRE WORKS BEGIN
Posted by DLynn on 1/25/2003, 7:33 pm, in reply to "LET THE FIRE WORKS BEGIN"
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Bob, Hi again my friend..I wish I could say that all the information you posted regarding the false teachings and visions, plans and all other chaos in the CoA camp came as a shock to me. It didn't. I have but one question. Do you really think he (DB) could possible be saved?? The word says that if we habitually sin there remains no sacrifice . As far as I can see 5 decades of repetitive sin = habitual. I pray you find peace and healing as you seek His face!
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Re: LET THE FIRE WORKS BEGIN
Posted by Dave Kenady on 1/25/2003, 7:59 pm, in reply to "Re: LET THE FIRE WORKS BEGIN"
12.231.58.8
Do you really think he (DB) could possible be saved??
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [him].(Mat 11:27)
(We are in the Son, the body of Christ etc.)
I don't think I'd want to go there. I've never felt good about questioning someone's salvation. I think I'll leave that in God's hands.
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To Mr.Kenady
Posted by Dlynn on 1/26/2003, 2:27 am, in reply to "Re: LET THE FIRE WORKS BEGIN"
12.211.116.55
Judging someones salvation is danerous teritory for sure. However, that's what looking at the "fruit" in ones life will reveal. I don't feel it would be in good taste to list the fruit in Don's life or anyone's. Our fruit speaks volumes. :)
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This is one rotten stinkin mess...
Posted by Lou on 1/25/2003, 10:33 pm, in reply to "Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:"
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I posted under my real name at the very top of this post, but now I must start running for cover under my board name.
This is one rotten stinkin mess that is never never going to get fixed.
The sickness, deception, denial, abuse and evil that permeated our church is becoming more apparent every day. I am not pointing my finger solely on Don, but a church that has this type of legacy with these types of posts makes me want to vomit.
I really do hate with all of my heart my association with this house of spiritual horrors and as some try valiantly to salvage some goodness out of this wretched mess I see nothing but vile deceptive filth.
Sick sick sick sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: This is one rotten stinkin mess...
Posted by Gordy on 1/25/2003, 10:55 pm, in reply to "This is one rotten stinkin mess..."
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Lou:
It certainly is a mess. Considering the state of affairs (no pun intended - this time) what should we do? I understand why some would run to the hills, wipe their feet clean and just do their best to forget about all of it and I wouldn't judge them for doing so. This is going to take a miracle for sure.
Everyone wound up with different types of wounds. Some were flesh wounds, some mortal and others were such a deep type that maybe they will never be addressed until the resurrection. The only common denominator was the killing fields on which we all traveled.
I think everyone will have to decide how they will deal with this mess according to their own consciences. I am staying engaged for the time being. I won't quit because it stinks, is messy, difficult or because of the stench. I will quit when it becomes obvious there is no hope for anything beneficial to emerge. It is my opinion if even just one person can find closure or healing to a large degree then it is worth fighting through the stench and shrapnel. But that is only my opinion and intent.
Gordy
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Re: This is one rotten stinkin mess...response
Posted by Lou on 1/25/2003, 11:10 pm, in reply to "Re: This is one rotten stinkin mess..."
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Gordy, you are a gem. I mean it!. I am in tears as I write this. My heart is breaking and my soul is vexed. I just do not understand how this all happened. I am not willing to freely blame the Devil on this one. It is just too easy of an excuse.
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DON, WILL YOU READ THIS?—DON, WILL YOU RESPOND? #1
Posted by Mike on 1/26/2003, 5:27 am, in reply to "Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:"
64.40.61.7
Mr. Barnett,
My letter is not only meant for your eyes so if you would like to stop reading now, go ahead, its ok, NO ONE IS WATCHING, they'll never know what kind of coward you are. But before you direct your gaze to other more edifying vistas; read on a bit. I hardly doubt that you have the backbone and forthrightness to stay around and straightforwardly answer the questions, challenges and allegations set forth by the participants of this message board. I honestly don't think you will do ANYTHING that you don't believe will bring you PERSONAL GAIN. Your actions or inactions (both here and elsewhere) will have NOTHING to do with true altruistic betterment of others.
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I'm just going to go though your letter and address a few things that JUMP OUT at me:
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BARNETT: someone posted on the Internet that Don never repented
RESPONSE: Are you now speaking and thinking of yourself in the THIRD PERSON? Or did somebody else write this for you? One thing that comes to mind is a quote from Mark Twain; "No man should refer to himself in the third person unless he is the King of England or has a tapeworm." Are you dissociating with yourself? Maybe you should begin to integrate yourself into one person. Maybe we have the trinity of Don doctrine in bloom here. If in fact you are dissociating with yourself, there is mental help available. I doubt you would ever willingly take it though. Your egoism would never allow that.
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BARNETT: Accusers don't need proof, just negative assumptions for the purpose of injury!
RESPONSE: What is needed as "proof" video tape evidence? I suppose that would not be enough "proof" either. What ever happened to the standard of "two or three witnesses"? I know the Devil himself is continuing a smear campaign against you because you threaten his objectives. Do you think of yourself as being that special?
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BARNETT: Will this one repent for the sin of judging…
RESPONSE: Don't you teach by your actions that judging is proper when you put people out of your church? But if we have reason to believe that our pastor is committing grievous sin and damage to people we are to stuff it, hide it and cover it like the Catholic Church has? You are expert at misusing scripture and avoiding the tenor it. Is this what all that Bible study has done for you? You know the text but miss the tenor as in "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
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BARNETT: There were about 3,000 witnesses at the Chapel who heard me repent for my sins and ask for forgiveness. I told them I wept on the streets of Illinois for my sins (where I went for a spiritual retreat with Barbara). God clearly let me know that He forgave me. The congregation forgave me that night (as indicated by upraised hands) – will you?
RESPONSE: Don't you think that this confession of sin and the forgiveness given was predicated on an assumption that the sins were relatively minor? Don't you think that when you popped a request for forgiveness (to be indicated by upraised hands) on a group of 3000 people who held you high esteem, surrounded by peer pressure that the "upraised hands" were inevitable? If you told us you were really a serial killer, or a serial sexual predator, shouldn't that have given us pause as to what our reaction should be? How can anybody really forgive that which they were never made aware of? Did you think you were getting a signed blank forgiveness check? And if you where completely forgiven with knowledge of the acts committed, is that where it should end? Should there be no consequences for you? Your logic is absurd!
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BARNETT: ...God (through Sandy Willis, who knew nothing yet of my sin) announced that He turned His back on my sins and walked away as though it never happened!
RESPONSE: I suppose Sandy thought you were sinless then. You have a habit of taking what ever favors you as being from GOD. If it disfavors you, it's clearly of Satan. Hmm.
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BARNETT: ….The church, to which I had no obligation to repent to, for (as yet) they knew nothing of what happened to me!
RESPONSE: So you don't think you are obligated to repent until one becomes AWARE of the act you committed against them. Say that you were slowly poisoning somebody by unawares to them. Do you believe that you have "no obligation to repent"? You were poisoning us. Say that you destroyed somebody from behind the scenes and "they knew nothing of what you did to them. Are you under no obligation to right the wrong and ask for forgiveness? That's twisted logic. I can see however that you may have convinced yourself that this is ok. It gives you the latitude you need to do the sick dance you do. I can see why you dissociate with yourself. And what's this "what happened to ME" all about? How does "what happened to [YOU]" effect whether or not you have obligation to ask forgiveness? Does the logic go as follows?: I hurt you, because I was hurting so I don't need to apologized and repent to you because you didn't know what happened to ME!
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BARNETT: What happened was that my pituitary gland (that controls the thyroid and vital hormones) fell from the normal level of 11-13 range to a highly dangerous 2.2, to shut itself down to save the life of the body! Dr. Skoglund said one loses their will at 4-5. He said if I didn't have such a good heart, I'd be dead! The cause of my great strain and pressure?: my wife defecting, even before I was ever alone with a spiritual connection! A month or so later, I became about 80% impotent! I was so hurt and lonely that I needed love and companionship (not sex, although it graduated to that – usually in a mild form). When I lost my will, I was stunned! I went into unreality! But through prayer with others, I became delivered of the tempter (9 months before my forgiven sins were published) and I was put out, contrary to the By-laws.
RESPONSE: I could muster more compassion for you if it did not appear that you brought this (at least in large part) upon yourself (BUT IT DOES!) and if appeared that you truly had ANY REAL non-self-serving compassion and concern for others (BUT IT DOESN'T, NOT THEN AND NOT NOW in your posted message!). I understand living a double life can be very stressful. Sometimes a person will only learn by their own pain. The "I was dying so I needed to sin" abuse excuse is sickening and does not absolve you of your actions. If you hurt me and repented and I subsequently forgive you, does that undo the damage done? Of course not! Ideally the damage would not have been done in the first place. The fact is you continue to this day to cause damage by falsely accusing others and continuing to blame others for your actions.
------"[M]y wife defecting"? That's an interesting dysphemism Don. As if she was abandoning a duty to stay with you regardless of your long-term abuse and neglect. YOU ABANDONED YOU COMMITMENT OF FIDELITY TO HER LONG BEFORE SHE LEFT YOU. Maybe if you had more than an ounce of respect for her she wouldn't have dumped your heinie.
------"[E]ven before I was ever alone with a spiritual connection!" I noticed you didn't say "before I ever had had sex with other women". You're sounding like our previous foolish philandering president more and more. Do you really think we are that easily fooled? Well, apparently, some sheepies are. Just keep repeating yourself lest they start thinking for themselves.
------"I was so hurt and lonely that I needed love and companionship." So you needed the attention of others so you could tolerably esteem yourself? That was nothing new.
------"I lost my will" So, of course you couldn't be accountable for anything you did, right? Did you ever have a will? If you had one and lost it, did you get it back? Jesus didn't have one, according to you, right? On the bright side, on that count, you're getting more and more Christ-like all the time!
------"I went into unreality!" We can agree on that, although I'm sure we disagree on WHEN that happened. I believe it happened sometime around adolescence. I don't believe you ever came back to reality.
------"I was put out." Did you taste the grief that you caused many others? The difference being; many of these had done NOTHING WRONG. You knew or should have known about them.
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BARNETT: the lower court illegally refused to abide by the Supreme Court and reinstate me! I feel sure they were handsomely paid off! Although I have a list of 79 unrighteous, illegal, unfair and dishonest acts of the elders in their dealings with me and many, very convincing, circumstantial evidences of payoffs (as the Chapel funds allegedly dropped from 8.8 to 4.0 million dollars);
RESPONSE: If the Supreme Court wanted you reinstated it would have reinstated you itself. Why would the Supreme Court remand a matter to a lower court unless the matter was to be put squarely within the lower courts jurisdiction and discretion? Would you please be more explicit on this matter? It sounds to me like you are conflating issues. Maybe you could post your "79 unrighteous, illegal, unfair and dishonest acts," so we can be in a position to judge the matter. Maybe you think we should simply go on faith – in you. I for one have found that the information is in fact lopsided. Id est, I have received more information from the elder side than your side. If you were more forthcoming, this problem would not exist. Naturally this makes their side more believable. Maybe you withhold your "information" because you know full well that Satan, as it were, will easily make it appear to be "disinformation".
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Continued on next post:
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DON, WILL YOU READ THIS?—DON, WILL YOU RESPOND? #2
Posted by Mike on 1/26/2003, 5:29 am, in reply to "DON, WILL YOU READ THIS?—DON, WILL YOU RESPOND? #1"
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Continued from previous post:

BARNETT: But in spite of the fact that I lost my wife, my family, my church, my spiritual connections (and all the others that I love), my reputation (which was ruined everywhere); I even lost much of my health and confidence, I kept worrying about the saints who changed their allegiance in one week and left me! I kept praying for them – especially, for those that fell away! And I kept blaming myself (not for my sins, for I felt them all washed away), but for not taking action to save the church! I was too naïve and trusting! The test was very severe, but God brought me and my followers through it all – and they have many revelations and truth that they would not otherwise have.
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RESPONSE: These "losses" you speak of are more accurately characterized as "things you threw away." As for "Blaming yourself", that sounds like a reasonable place to start but when you end up blaming everybody else, you lose all reasonability. After fifteen years, can't you see that? Those "losses" were not a "test", as if God allowed you to be tested, they were consequences. If you choose to put your finger over a flame, the consequence would be a burn. How's that a "test". You got "burned", but you put your finger there. Maybe you were testing yourself to see if you were invulnerable. You lost confidence? Maybe that's a good thing. I've never seen evidence of that; you have an air of absolute self-confidence about yourself.
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BARNETT: the restoration prophesied of by God (both before and after the split),
RESPONSE: Is God prophesying now? Did his voice come from the sky? Hmm. And there's that little habit again, what ever favors you is of God. If it disfavors you, it's clearly of Satan.
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BARNETT: the truth will come out – it will shock many!
RESPONSE: Bring it on brother! Tell us the TRUTH! SHOCK AWAY! This reminds me of the common cliffhanger used by television news broadcaster, they say "the information will surprise you, watch us at 5:00". Why do you hold back? GIVE US THE TRUTH; DON'T HIDE THE LIGHT UNDER A BUSHEL BASKET!
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BARNETT: But all I'm looking forward to is restoration and going on in a higher, broader ministry that God has promised and is even now starting to goad us into.
RESPONSE: Oh, you are such a tease. It seems to me time is running out for you. God better get moving soon. If it's just goading he's doing maybe he should turn up the power on that cattle prod because I'm not seeing any movement yet. Considering the narrowness of your "ministry" it shouldn't take too much to broaden it. - :)
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BARNETT: I will forgive all who repent – will you forgive me, is the question?
RESPONSE: What must I repent of Lord Barnett?
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BARNETT: I am very happy with the fantastic experiences of agapé that my church has practiced (with very little bad results) for 15 years now!
RESPONSE: Propagandize away. "With very little bad results"
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BARNETT: The devil has drawn off many, but for other reasons – none justified in my judgment.
RESPONSE: Can there be any possible "reason" a person should ever walk away from you? "None" are justified right? Aren't you infallible!
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BARNETT: God has pruned off the accusers, the underminers and the unpersuadable, who would not come into the needed unity as God demanded.
RESPONSE: You said "I went into unreality!" And there you remain in complete fantasy. And there's that pipeline to God you've deluded yourself into thinking you have. Don, do you really believe that you have such a clear communication line to God or is it just an artifice you use for the purposes of controlling people? What ever favors you is of GOD. If it disfavors you, it's clearly of SATAN.
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BARNETT: God has brought in many who are thrilled with the move of God, here!
RESPONSE: And Allah has brought Bin Laden many people willing to die for the cause. My point is that deceptions are plenty and there's little difficulty finding adherents in support of them.
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BARNETT: The door of acceptance is still open, but only for the sincere, willing, non-accusing, non-judgmental, submissive ones that are willing to fall in love with Jesus, live entirely for Him and enjoy the wonderful presence of God with us! Indeed, those who are critical can't even feel the presence of God that most of us are thrilled with, weekly!
RESPONSE: Of course, why wouldn't you allow more unquestioning mindless supporters to give you money power and fill your needy ego. Tempting carrots you dangle though; "fall in love," "enjoy the wonder presence of God". Where are all the good fruits and signs of maturity one might expect from fifteen years of preparation? Being critical against you is tantamount to being critical of God Almighty right? I suppose that same critical/questioning will prevent a person from feeling any false presence of God wherever he goes. On the other hand I suppose a person that has no critical thoughts whatsoever may "feel the presence of God" at the whorehouse or in the bedroom with his latest love affair or anywhere else his non-critical mind will allow.
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BARNETT: …my flock that turned against me without allowing a defense!
RESPONSE: WE STILL AWAIT YOUR DEFENSE! I remember that there were those who challenged you to a debate on the whether connections were of God. You flat out refused to give an openly debated defense then. I mention that here to point out what seems to be your defense posture. This message board has been up for years. You could have posted a defense here. You could have posted a defense in the newspaper. You could have posted your defense on the internet for the whole world to see. As of now you seem to have done nothing to defend yourself to those who left you. I believe you know it would be futile and that you know your "defenses" will be seen for what they truly are; "excuses". You simply risk further loss by trying to defend the indefensible. I'm not a prophetess nor do I claim to speak for God but I do predict that -1. You will fail to give a defense out of cowardice and/or recognition of the fact that you would lose more than you would gain, or -2. You will give a defense but never admit that you defense given or heard. I have to admit; you surprised me by posting this message so let me challenge you to post this overdue "defense".
WE STILL AWAIT YOUR DEFENSE!
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BARNETT:…but I still love you!
RESPONSE: I don't think you don't know what love is. I think you mean "I still want you!"
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BARNETT: P.S. You will be hearing more from me!
RESPONSE: We will hold you to it. However, if we here anymore, I expect it to be some form of an excuse for why you won't be saying much more. It's clear you are fighting a losing battle. Surprise us by proving me wrong. Don't hide behind your messengers. Get one of your minions to get you online and deal with us directly. THAT'S DOUBTFUL! That would take real courage!
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BARNETT: Let's work together against Satan, instead of letting him use us to fight and accuse one another! If you want to be one with me again, one day,
RESPONSE: How could we ever work together against Satan when you a promoting the very delusion, debauchery, and evil he stands for?
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BARNETT: please write me!
RESPONSE: I just did, right here. Are you going to respond? I Doubt it. Oh, maybe you want only the submissives to write you hard copy letters so you can deal with them individually and hopefully have success on them on that individual level. You know you will never be successful on an open basis. That's why your Manchild company / Bride of Christ / DB loyals are not mature enough and therefore forbade to read and post to this board personally on the threat of being put out. Apparently, you have granted a few the leeway to do just that though. How bold of you! I get the impression that this was out of your control. I wonder how many of your loyals actually read this board without your knowledge. Maybe that's the real reason you posted here, to make it appear that you are not afraid of exposure to our discernment. Impress us Don and stick around.
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BARNETT: Restoration and spiritual renewal is just around the corner!
RESPONSE: And you think you will be leading it?
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Sincerely,
Mike
- You can safely conclude that the voices you hear are not of God when they happen to always agree with you.
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Thanks Mike you really hit it on the nail head. N/T
Posted by Bob Sackett on 1/26/2003, 10:27 am, in reply to "DON, WILL YOU READ THIS?—DON, WILL YOU RESPOND? #2"
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His story isn't really even relevant anymore...
Posted by Greg on 1/26/2003, 12:11 pm, in reply to "Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:"
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I just can't muster the energy or the interest to write about Don's posting. Reading it, I became aware that I just don't care. Concerns about what went on at the Chapel have broadened so far beyond Don's sin and repentance or lack of repentance that his posting hardly makes a difference one way or the other. Don's personal part in the Chapel debacle was only the tip of the iceberg, in my opinion. It's been evident since 1988 that he is never going to admit he's really wrong about anything of substance, anyway. It's obvious that from his point of view our job is to get over it, repent of our bad judgment in not accepting his repentance, and come back to his church. But I view him as just as much the victim of bad theology and spiritual deception as anybody else at the Chapel. Getting back into a normal relationship with the Lord in a real church is my primary interest these days.
I will say that the responses do indicate the astounding staying power of Don's defenders and detractors both. And of course, it does offer a few dismaying new pieces of evidence of the cost in human life the Chapel meant for some people. My heart and prayers go out to D'Lynn and the others whose experiences had only been a rumour to me before her postings. As somebody else noted, her story seems more believable than Don's in the context of everything else we now know about those years.
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Re: His story isn't really even relevant anymore...
Posted by carolyn on 1/26/2003, 1:31 pm, in reply to "His story isn't really even relevant anymore..."
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I hate to say this Greg...but there are many, many "real" churches who have just as many problems as we did at chapel. Look at what has been being exposed in the Catholic church. If everything were exposed we might all be surprised. Having said that, I make no excuses or compromise for what did happen to many young girls, and many older girls...it is un-excusable in any setting. And I am not saying that every pastor, or leader is in sexual sin either.....but where there are people, there are problems. And no church or organization has the corner on all the truth...Myself, I hope and pray that those who are still hurting and angered will eventually be able to have some sort of closure and peace about all that happened in the past.
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Re: His story isn't really even relevant anymore...
Posted by Greg on 1/26/2003, 1:59 pm, in reply to "Re: His story isn't really even relevant anymore..."
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I agree, Carolyn. There are many problems in real churches as well. But it is still obvious to me that the magnitude of the Chapel's problems are much greater, and that those problems put it outside the scriptural boundaries of a true assembly of believers in structure, beliefs, and practice.

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Thread:
Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story: - Don Barnett 1/24/2003, 4:57 pm

• Question please?
- John D 1/24/2003, 6:41 pm

• Is this real?
- Jack 1/24/2003, 6:53 pm

• I don't get it
- Leslie 1/24/2003, 6:47 pm

• Thank you Pastor..
- Sam 1/24/2003, 7:49 pm

• Re: Thank you Pastor..
- DRF 1/25/2003, 2:43 am

• Re: Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:
- Keith D. 1/24/2003, 8:00 pm

• my view
- an observer 1/24/2003, 9:36 pm

• Many weren't there that night
- Gordy 1/24/2003, 8:53 pm

• letter to Don
- Steve M 1/24/2003, 10:11 pm

• Wounded then, healed now!
- D'Lynn (Weiss) 1/25/2003, 2:20 am

• Re: Wounded then, healed now!
- an observer 1/25/2003, 8:05 am

• Re: Wounded then, healed now!
- D'Lynn (Weiss) 1/25/2003, 10:09 am

• THANKS FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO POST D'LNN
- Bob Sackett 1/25/2003, 8:51 am

• Re: THANKS FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO POST D'LNN
- DLynn 1/25/2003, 10:22 am

• Re: THANKS FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO POST D'LNN
- Bev 1/25/2003, 10:34 am

• I'm guessing...
- Robbin 1/26/2003, 5:50 am

• Re: THANKS FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO POST D'LNN
- A Mom 1/25/2003, 11:00 am

• Re: THANKS FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO POST D'LNN
- D'Lynn (Weiss) 1/25/2003, 11:21 am

• Re: THANKS FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO POST D'LNN
- A Mom 1/25/2003, 11:31 am

• Re: THANKS FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO POST D'LNN
- D'Lynn 1/25/2003, 11:39 am

• A thought
- Harry 1/25/2003, 12:23 pm

• Re: A thought
- Joe and Darlene Wagenius 1/25/2003, 12:37 pm

• Re: Wounded then, healed now!
- Harry 1/25/2003, 9:12 am

• Re: Wounded then, healed now!
- D'Lynn 1/25/2003, 10:19 am

• Re: Wounded then, healed now!
- Harry 1/25/2003, 3:55 pm

• Re: Wounded then, healed now!
- Joe and Darlene Wagenius 1/25/2003, 10:42 am

• Re: Wounded then, healed now!
- D'Lynn (Weiss) 1/25/2003, 10:58 am

• Re: Wounded then, healed now!
- an observer 1/25/2003, 10:50 am

• Re: Wounded then, healed now! MORE...
- D'Lynn (Weiss) 1/25/2003, 11:14 am

• Re: Wounded then, healed now! MORE...
- Lanny 1/25/2003, 11:43 pm

• Re: Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:
- desi 1/24/2003, 10:36 pm

• My story...and I'm sticking to it.
- Robbin 1/25/2003, 8:38 am

• Re: My story...and I'm sticking to it.
- Dave Kenady 1/25/2003, 9:35 am

• I will follow God and the path He has set before me.
- Jane 1/25/2003, 10:24 am

• God looks @ the heart, not the haircut!
- Louise 1/25/2003, 11:43 am

• Re: God looks @ the heart, not the haircut!
- D'Lynn 1/25/2003, 11:50 am

• Not in any judgement, but....
- Sam 1/25/2003, 1:57 pm

• Wonderful, Sam
- Steve M 1/25/2003, 4:54 pm

• Sam reminds me of a story someone told me about 9/11
- Lou 1/26/2003, 7:32 am

• Sorry..
- Sam 1/26/2003, 10:03 am

• Question for Jane
- Nobody 1/25/2003, 11:47 am

• Hey, there, Nobody!
- Louise 1/25/2003, 12:25 pm

• Re: Hey, there, Louise!
- Nobody 1/25/2003, 9:23 pm

• The other day at Costco? Don't you mean last year?
- Robbin 1/25/2003, 3:10 pm

• RE: My Story...and Jane's response
- Robbin 1/26/2003, 7:38 am

• Jeanette..
- Sam 1/26/2003, 10:07 am

• Re: My story...and I'm sticking to it.
- D'Lynn 1/25/2003, 11:57 am

• Re: My story...and I'm sticking to it.
- carolyn 1/25/2003, 5:58 pm

• Respectfully
- Harry 1/25/2003, 9:43 am

• Re: Respectfully
- Jack 1/25/2003, 1:01 pm

• Re: Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:
- an observer 1/25/2003, 10:57 am

• Huh?
- Harry 1/25/2003, 11:11 am

• Re: Huh?
- Lurker 1/25/2003, 11:17 am

• Embarrassed!!!!
- Jack 1/25/2003, 11:18 am

• No need to be, Jack
- Leslie 1/25/2003, 11:25 am

• Thanks Jack
- Freedom Lover 1/25/2003, 11:27 am

• Re: Embarrassed!!!!
- Robbin 1/26/2003, 6:04 am

• I take it back.
- Robbin 1/26/2003, 6:12 am

• BLACK Robes and "SHAKING a WING together"
- Jack 1/26/2003, 9:53 am

• Proof READ!!!
- Jack 1/26/2003, 10:14 am

• DANGER Observer.
- D'Lynn 1/25/2003, 11:34 am

• Re: DANGER Observer.
- an observer 1/25/2003, 3:14 pm

• Re: DANGER Observer.
- Keith D. 1/25/2003, 5:53 pm

• Re: Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:
- Amazed 1/25/2003, 2:25 pm

• Re: Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:
- an observer 1/25/2003, 4:15 pm

• Get a dictionary pal.....
- Harry 1/25/2003, 9:34 pm

• Re: Did Don Barnett ever repent? What's his story:
- Harry C 1/25/2003, 10:59 pm

• The Sum of All Things Chapel
- Dave Kenady 1/25/2003, 1:04 pm

• Re: The Sum of All Things Chapel
- Harry 1/25/2003, 1:26 pm

• extinguishing the torch
- Jack 1/25/2003, 1:50 pm

• Another thought....
- Jack 1/25/2003, 1:59 pm

• but...
- Sam 1/25/2003, 2:33 pm

• Re: extinguishing the torch
- To Jack, from Carolyn 1/25/2003, 6:16 pm

• Re: extinguishing the torch
- Jack 1/25/2003, 9:29 pm

• Re: The Sum of All Things Chapel
- Bob Sackett 1/25/2003, 7:15 pm

• Re: The Sum of All Things Chapel
- first observer 1/25/2003, 7:58 pm

• LET THE FIRE WORKS BEGIN
- Bob Sackett 1/25/2003, 7:07 pm

• Re: LET THE FIRE WORKS BEGIN
- DLynn 1/25/2003, 7:33 pm

• Re: LET THE FIRE WORKS BEGIN
- Dave Kenady 1/25/2003, 7:59 pm

• To Mr.Kenady
- Dlynn 1/26/2003, 2:27 am

• This is one rotten stinkin mess...
- Lou 1/25/2003, 10:33 pm

• Re: This is one rotten stinkin mess...
- Gordy 1/25/2003, 10:55 pm

• Re: This is one rotten stinkin mess...response
- Lou 1/25/2003, 11:10 pm

• DON, WILL YOU READ THIS?—DON, WILL YOU RESPOND? #1
- Mike 1/26/2003, 5:27 am

• DON, WILL YOU READ THIS?—DON, WILL YOU RESPOND? #2
- Mike 1/26/2003, 5:29 am

• Thanks Mike you really hit it on the nail head. N/T
- Bob Sackett 1/26/2003, 10:27 am

• His story isn't really even relevant anymore...
- Greg 1/26/2003, 12:11 pm

• Re: His story isn't really even relevant anymore...
- carolyn 1/26/2003, 1:31 pm

• Re: His story isn't really even relevant anymore...
- Greg 1/26/2003, 1:59 pm